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Re: Crushed Raw Garlic vs. Garlic Pills
Reply #20 by ladyk
Posted: January 31, 2010 at 17:09

It is very important to support his immune system. Biologically speaking if his immune system is deficient it can not function as it is suppose to in killing system invaders like MRSA. You are doing good in seeking supplementation for that which you know he lacks in his diet - being fruits and vegetables.

An easy way to accomplish Vitamin C high dosing is EmergenC 1000mg packets that can be mixed with water, juice, etc. I’m of the opinion he should at least start off with 2000mg daily. http://www.emergenc.com/

Pass all information by ID specialist during appointment. You might start a list to help you.

What are you doing as topical care for armpit and other lesions?

Hope this helps you/son michelle.

Best wishes,
ladyk

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Reply #21 by michelle
Posted: January 31, 2010 at 22:16
hi..thanks..sorry to say I am not doing anythig for his topical care for armpit and other lesions. I am putting garlic oil on them. Any suggestions?
I also bought anti-bacterial soap-Dial, today.
I also bought Vitamin C 1000mg..thanks for suggestion on the dosage.
I don't know where to buy hibiclens..I looked..
Thanks again,
Michelle
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Reply #22 by abcdeb
Posted: January 31, 2010 at 22:44
Hi, Michelle,
I can help with the Hibiclens question - It's in the first aid section in the drug store - Rite-Aid, CVS, etc. It's also in some supermarkets (Wegmans, for example, in the northeast). I think Stop and Shop would have it, too, if they have a pharmacy. You could ask the pharmacist. It comes in a blue and white box, so maybe that's why you didn't see it.
You've found an awesome forum! I've learned more here than I did from my doctor - no joke!
Good luck and please keep us updated!

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Reply #23 by Bob Anderson
Posted: February 1, 2010 at 04:32
Michelle -

Garlic oil is a much better secondary support system than it is an active antibiotic as it has no allicin. The allicin is processed out but it is very good at rebuilding the immune system.

Crushed raw natural (not-irradiated) garlic is the best antibiotic. It is best when applied straight in undiluted form but if that burns too much, then diluting it in a little water will prevent the burn and is still effective against staph it can come into contact with though it may take more treatments.

slices of raw garlic can be applied to treat small areas and also allow for rapid removal if it gets too hot. If a person can tolerate the heat for a minute it will go away and has a better chance of being more effective. Usually there is no burn except right at the site of a lesion unless raw garlic is left on sensitive skin too long.

There's no hard and fast formula as to how much to use as garlics are all different, you just have to fly by the seat of your pants as people used to say. How you use it is more important than how much because almost any amount is beneficial.

Hope this helps.

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Reply #24 by caringaj
Posted: February 1, 2010 at 15:32
Garlic may ease the pain associated with a MRSA boil, but you really should see a doctor if you have a boil, get a strong antiobiotic and possibly hospital admission. MRSA is nothing to take lightly. You want to prevent it getting into your bloodstream. As for prevention of further outbreaks, eat healthy, practice good hygene and wash your hands often.
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Reply #25 by Bob Anderson
Posted: February 1, 2010 at 19:40
caringaj -

Absolutely right. Garlic is not a substitute for professional care, but is an addition to it. One should always tell their doctor that they use garlic as it definitely affects some prescription medications. If you know the details about garlic, it is also an opportunity to teach your doctor a little something they didn't learn about in med school.


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Reply #26 by michelle
Posted: February 2, 2010 at 22:34
so I went to the ID doctor today...well first I want to THANK everyone here because I learned MORE from YOU than I did from the doctors:)...I am sooo well informed because of THIS message board!!! Here is what they told me and what they are in agreement with you...
1. When my son showers he is to have his own towel, and to make sure it is one towel per shower..it is a good thing I started that when I read this board..thank you.
2. All the other tips, about razors, cleaning with clorax wipes, etc..you are so right!
3. He has to start the hibilclen baths (we all do)thanks for explaining that..and the nose swabs with bactoban(sp)
4. This is where they differ...I tried to explain about the probiotics/photonutrients..and how it affects the immune system..I brought my list of what Ricky what on for vitamins...they really didn't want to listen...they were pretty doom and gloom..so..
I am going to listen to YOU..:) I know the garlic baths worked and I am going to continue on the probiotics way...
I just wanted to thank you to all for helping and responding right away!!!
michelle
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Reply #27 by ladyk
Posted: February 4, 2010 at 16:48
michelle -

You're welcome.

Thank you for the update, and it is good to learn you received helpful information on forum. Below are a few cautions that will hopefully help you avoid complications...

About Hibiclens
You can buy Hibiclens as abcdeb mentioned, at your local pharmacy. But... this will be in a thin liquid form which I personally find difficult to use, and since entire family will be decolonizing this can become costly. In my opinion find a ‘pump dispenser’ then best buy on Hibiclens. Foaming Hibiclens is much easier to work with. Sometimes you can find great deals at pharmacy on large bottle/ ask pharmacist. Hibiclens sold with a pump dispenser, the link provided on previous post, is the best buy I've been able to find. http://www.cfamedical.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=1654

This product carries cautions: DO NOT GET HIBICLENS INTO EYES OR EARS.
http://www.hibigeebies.com/about_hibiclens.asp


Flora Balance
The key to controlling MRSA is balance. Balance topically. Balance internally. Pathogens thrive on system imbalance.

Note: Do not overuse decolonization products (Hibiclens, Bactroban - mupirocin 2%, Bacitracin ointment, etc.) as this risks resistance, meaning antimicrobials/antibiotics can be rendered resistant - won’t work anymore. Additionally, ridding BOTH ‘good’ and ‘bad’ bacteria from our first line of defense… being our surface skin, amplifies risk of further complications. Beneficial ‘good’ and necessary bacteria keep ‘bad’ bacteria invaders in check.

It is true antibiotics disrupt system balance by ridding our bodies of necessary ‘good’ bacteria. When this happens it provides an environment for ‘bad’ bacteria to over populate. Sometimes more than one bacteria capitalizes on the opportunity when host is weakened. Same is true when we consider topical care. If you overuse antimicrobial/antibiotic products, in all likelihood you are setting yourself up for complications. This is where bleach baths, garlic baths, turmeric soaks, etc. have a place. Limiting potential complications by judiciously utilizing equivalent safe methods of care is always advantageous for best possible patient outcome.

Forward thinking ID specialists hold a serious place in the battle with MRSA… (they can/do learn outside specialty too~) as do life saving antibiotics/treatments hold a place, and by all you’ve posted it appears your ID is following common care protocol. Just as information gathered here as survivors holds a place, along side of that you researching resources holds a place. In my opinion it is our responsibility to become as knowledgeable as possible concerning what we are up against… this can only benefit. Blending ‘medicine’ (taking the best as it applies to you particularly) with a fair knowledge base, and willingness to step outside the box… has saved many lives. Knowing when you're over your head also saves lives.

How is Ricky today?

Wishing you and yours the best.
ladyk

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Re: Crushed Raw Garlic vs. Garlic Pills
Reply #28 by michelle
Posted: February 5, 2010 at 23:28
Thanks again..as I am a good Indian (smile)..and following everyones' advice(thanks) and crossing my fingers..so far..so good..however..it has been only 3 days since he has been off the antibiotics..eeeks..he is going away with his dad next week..we are so determined to get him on that airplane no matter what (LOL)..he is continuing with his vitamins, and hibiclen shower etc..I am trying to find that balance..so hopefully it won't be like last time..when he had 2 good weeks then bam..he was hit with several lesions..since I am taking the necessary precautions..fingers crossed and saying my prayers..and with the help from this board!!!
thanks.
michelle
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Reply #29 by michelle
Posted: February 8, 2010 at 11:20
ok..I spoke to soon..jokes on me..(sigh) he has a lesion on his inner right thigh, on the back of his neck and in the middle of his back..eeks..I don't understand because I have been following the protocol of everything!! He is back on bactril(sp)..oh well...
michelle
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Reply #30 by abcdeb
Posted: February 8, 2010 at 21:47
Michelle,
So sorry this has happened. I can imagine how frustrated you must be.
Here’s something about the Hibiclens you may not know. I had lots of questions and have been in touch with a representative from Hibiclens, and here’s what I’ve found out:
The active ingredient is CHG and it can be rendered ineffective from moisturizers and other soaps. I like to use Dove and Ivory other moisturizing soaps in the shower, so I have to use them first, as well as wash and condition my hair. The Hibiclens MUST be used as the very last thing for it to remain effective. Also, if your son moisturizes after the shower (or at all during the day), he must use a CHG compatible moisturizer, or else the active ingredient in the Hibiclens is neutralized. Lubriderm and Vaseline, for example, are not CHG compatible, so if he’s using them on his hands, then the Hibi will no longer be effective. I have not been able to find a CHG compatible moisturizer in the drug store or supermarket, so I order one online. I believe there’s a link in the products side. If he uses a hand sanitizer, it also must be CHG compatible. Purell is not. I went to the gynecologist a few weeks ago, and they had one in their office. The ID doctor had the same exact one in his office. That was good enough for me, and that’s what I have at school. If you’re interested in the brand, I’ll post it over in the products section as well. You also have to buy this online, and it’s not cheap.
And here’s my routine. I'm not sure if it's overkill, but so far, it’s worked. I had a little scare a few weeks ago, but nothing ever happened. In addition to the supplements, I wipe down the house with Clorox Wipes once a week. In addition to the usual places (kitchen, bedrooms, bathrooms), I do the fridge and freezer handles, cabinet handles, railings, keys, remotes, toothbrush handles, phones, cell phones, and anything else I’ve touched. I also do the car – steering wheel, radio and CD controls, stick shift, etc. You get the idea! I wash everything with bleach that I can. Towels, sheets, pillow cases, sweats, t-shirts, I don’t care what color it is! Everything except school clothes and jeans are bleached! I go through one jug a week – no kidding! Lastly, I carefully wash and cover up every little cut and scrape, especially on my hands. As a teacher, I’m coughed and sneezed on all day, not to mention what I don’t know about! I’m never without a band-aid or two or three! I also try to be very careful about not touching my face.
Hope this helps. Good luck to you and your family.

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Reply #31 by fearofsurfaces
Posted: May 28, 2010 at 04:03
Hi, I know this is an oldish thread but I wanted to point out to anyone who happens upon this conversation that ***Clorox Wipes have NOT been shown to kill MRSA***.

The EPA has a list of products that have been proven to kill MRSA. Clorox bleach is on the list but not the wipes. In order to find wipes that will kill the bacteria, you need to use something more industrial like Sani Cloths or make your own. The link opens a PDF file so I cannot paste in but if you Google "EPA list mrsa cleansers," you'll see it right away.

I hope you're having better luck.
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Reply #32 by jenny
Posted: December 31, 2010 at 20:41
Hi, I'm interested in knowing how often should I use crush garlic or when is the best time of the day to use it. I'm suffering with high blood pressure and they prescribe me with Diovan. Which I don't want to take, because I'm into alternative medicine and a vegan. Can I crush the garlic and then eat it or put in water. I also take garlic extract 30 drops in water 2 to 3 times per day. My blood pressure reading at the doctor office was 184/100. I will be purchasing a blood pressure digital monitor. Thank you for your answer. Jenny
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Reply #33 by Bob Anderson
Posted: January 1, 2011 at 14:08
Consuming a clove of garlic a day will help lower BP a little bit, maybe 10-12 points or so.

A better way is to cut out almost all common refined table salt from your diet and replace it with potassium chloride and eat more fresh fruits and veggies. I had similar BP readings to yours and that is what I did to lower it into the 120s to 140s range with no medication. I had to quit buying any processed foods from stores because most of it is laden with salt.

Hypertension is a sign that there is too much salt in one's system and not enough potassium and magnesium. Straighten out that imbalance and in a month or two, BP comes down smoothly.

Good luck to you.

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Reply #34 by ladyk
Posted: January 1, 2011 at 20:32
Jenny -

When considering your health it is important not to become complacent concerning routine fact finding diagnostic tests. Stress test, EKG, kidney scan, lab work, etc. It is important to know carrying extra weight can cause high diastolic blood pressure. Other causes of high diastolic blood pressure include age, lifestyle, stress, etc. A sedentary lifestyle also contributes to high blood pressure. Systolic hypertension is more common than diastolic hypertension. High diastolic blood pressure can lead to heart failure.

Kidney scan
If you search 'renal artery stenosis' you'll find it is the most common cause of hard to control high BP.

The blending of medicine serves us best. Time bomb ticking BP is something I believe should be addressed directly. The risk in NOT defining the root of symptom(s) - elevated BP in your case… could very well result in neurological-stroke/cardiac-heart related complications. High BP is a warning something is up somewhere, this can also be a prompt for undiagnosed pre-diabetes, and should be addressed properly.

Supplementation once you know what you are up against is a good way to be proactive in your care to balanced health. Also you should know that garlic particularly is an effective anticoagulant (blood thinner), although probably a good thing with such BP elevation (reducing risk of throwing a clot)… this can present risks in itself which you should be aware of.

Best to be up to date on your routine once over… seek a physician who is interested in assisting you with health concerns.

Best wishes,
ladyk

Diovan (valsartan)
http://www.drugs.com/diovan.html

[Avoid drinking alcohol. It can lower your blood pressure and may increase some of the side effects of Diovan. *Do not use potassium supplements or salt substitutes while you are taking Diovan, unless your doctor has told you to.

*In rare cases, Diovan can cause a condition that results in the breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue, leading to kidney failure. Call your doctor right away if you have muscle pain, tenderness, or weakness especially if you also have fever, nausea or vomiting, and dark colored urine.]

Hence the suggestion that kidney scan baseline should be obtained.

For your safety research, and then pass all supplements by physician prior to ingestion.

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Reply #35 by jean
Posted: February 2, 2011 at 09:00
Hi Bob,

I'm a recent convert to garlic, but I have some questions. I have eczema and cellulitis version of MRSA in each lesion. It went way too long before the diagnosis was made known to me. Consequently, the infection is VERY deep. Unlike a boil, the infection is hardened pus. I first tried some garlic water on one lesion. I liked the result of wetting a gauze pad with the garlic water and using it to cover the lesion over night. The next day, encouraged by those results, I tried applying the crushed garlic directly to a different lesion. I saw some improvement right away. You say that using the garlic water takes longer than using the crushed garlic directly. But how long does that take to bring about the killing of the bacteria that are deep in my skin and no longer an open part of the lesion? How long for the crushed garlic directly applied?

Jean
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Reply #36 by Bob Anderson
Posted: February 3, 2011 at 02:01
Jean -

In the case of a deep infection like yours it is hard to tell because there is no published research on this; we're flying by the seat of our pants here. We know the allicin created by crushing raw non-irradiated garlic kills MRSA on contact but when the infection is deeper inside it becomes more difficult to bring the allicin into contact with the MRSA so different approaches need to be tried. That may also depend on where the lesions are.

Perhaps a succession of treatments might be needed to work your way down to where the main body of the infection is so that you can get the allicin into direct contact with it.

A long soak in a warm garlic water bath will cause a lot of allicin to get soaked into the skin and because it is both fat-soluble and water-soluble, some of it, the fat-soluble, will circulate around the lymphatic system and the water-soluble gets into the venous system and circulates in the blood stream for a minute or two before being neutralized by the body's defenses in the bloodstream but if we can flood the environment with allicin maybe some of it will get through to fight the MRSA. Allicin's half life in human blood is less than a minute but I have never seen any studies that show its half life in lymphatic fluid but I kind of suspect it to be longer only because the lymphatic fluid moves slower than the bloodstream.

Since big pharma refuses to do research on garlic because it is cheap and they can't have exclusive right to use it, people are on their own to learn about it and make their own decisions. This forum is the best place on the internet to learn about crushed raw garlic and how to use it to fight MRSA and I urge you to learn all you can and protect your own best interests.

The main thing is to be sure you have non-irradiated narural garlic.

Please let us know how well it works for you.

Good luck to you.

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Reply #37 by Mom in Calif
Posted: February 3, 2011 at 04:46
A quick note here - sometimes the infections which our son experienced on his legs would go rather deep, nasty to look at and scary. We found that very long hot soaks in the tub, sometimes more than once a day, would help bring the infection up to the surface so that different topical treatments could reach the area. I would crush a handful of garlic cloves beforehand, let them sit for about a half hour or forty-five minutes, and then throw them into the bath water as the tub filled.

He would follow-up with stronger garlic-infused water soaked onto the pads of water-proof bandages. Sometimes he would also combine silver-based ointment for overnight bandages. Also, old-fashioned drawing salve made from tar is very useful once a wound began draining.

I hope these tips are useful...
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Reply #38 by jean
Posted: February 3, 2011 at 20:14
Bob and Mom in Calif, thank you for your input so much for your additional help.

Just for the record my lesions are located such that I will have to depend on the garlic getting inside only without directly having bathing contact with some of them. I have 2 on my outer nose; 3 in my left nostril; 2 in my right nostril; my entire left outer ear; just portions of my right outer ear; a big one at the bottom right of the back of my neck just below the hairline; 2 big ones on my left very upper back; 1 in the same position on my upper right back; and, 2 in the middle of my back.

I have only applied the raw crushed garlic to my nose and my neck and DOES IT EVER BURN! But I knew I had to get extra work accomplished from it so I would endure it for as long as possible which is generally in the neighborhood of 5 minutes. I have also used garlic water soaked bandages overnight in those spots.

I have to admit, though, that I turned to the topical garlic because I could not find Tea Tree oil locally -- until yesterday morning. that is. Wow! I can't believe the speed with which it works. I've seen dramatic improvement even in the deeply seated areas in only about 24 hours!! Not the Bactroban nor the topical garlic combined had accomplished as much in a complete week's worth of application several times a day. I haven't tried the garlic baths yet, but will so today. I will also continue with the tea tree oil instead of direct garlic topically. And, yes, it is non irradiated garlic. Hopefully, this combo will work its magic in my body!!

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Reply #39 by jean
Posted: February 3, 2011 at 22:05
Hi again,

Just want to check on the drawing salve I just found locally. It's called Ichthammol ointment and online says the ingredients are: Green Soap, White Petrolatum, Ichthammol, Sulfated Tallow Sodium Salt, White Beeswax, Light Mineral Oil and 8-Hydroxyquinoline Benzoate.

Is that good?
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