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post MRSA hardware removal
Started by Terri
Posted: August 24, 2010 at 18:55
I am preparing to have hardware removed (fifth metatarsal)due to MRSA. Just wondering what to expect post op- more or less painful than the insertion? Thanks for the help- I am now 4 weeks into iv Cubicin treatment, feeling so much better and not looking forward to yet another "recovery post op!
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Reply #1 by mrod424
Posted: August 26, 2010 at 18:50
Terri,
Will go tell me more about your 5th metatarsal hardware? I broke my 5th
metatarsal (Jones fracture) in early April. It has still not healed and I am
using a bone joint stimulator. August 9 I had some cartilage removed in the
same knee and developed MRSA in the incision sites, joint and down my leg
and possibility into the bone. I was on bactrim, but allergic, the a vancomycin
IV with PICC line, and very allergic. Tomorow I'm going on cubicin IV. I fear
that in the next couple of months I will need surgery to pin, screw or graft
the metatarsal and go through this all over again IF I find a surgeon who will
do the surgery. I'l love to hear more about your experiences.
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Reply #2 by Terri
Posted: August 27, 2010 at 20:09
I broke the bone in May and after 6 weeks in a cast, the doctor inserted a plate and screws. The surgery and recovery were easy but two weeks later I suddenly developed cellulitis and subsequently MRSA, was hospitilized for three days after another surgery to debride the infected area. In a few weeks the doc will go back in and remove the hardware which is apparently standard in MRSA to prevent reinfection-which is where you may have trouble because I would think if your bone hasn't healed on it's own by now- you need some hardware. I like my ortho but have made sure every decision is discussed with the infectious desease doc. I have had not problems with the cubicin and always have with other antibiotics. I think my bone stim helps but you should make sure they do some blood work for calcium and vitamin d levels and other things that may be keeping the bone from healing- which could be another extra problem post-op. You have my empathy as it appears you have just started through the process that hopefully I am finishing. The most important thing is request explainations, ask questions, and the minute you think something has changed- move quickly. Please let me know how you are doing-it will be interesting to see how two rather similar cases turn out!
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Reply #3 by ladyk
Posted: August 27, 2010 at 20:29
Terri -

Excellent post.

Especially advice in regards to ["I like my ortho but have made sure every decision is discussed with the infectious desease doc."] and ["The most important thing is request explainations, ask questions, and the minute you think something has changed- move quickly."]

Nancy R (a long term poster on forum) had hip replacement hardware removed due to MRSA, she also had very good success with Cubicin (daptomycin). She went on to have hardware re-inserted, and down the line also had knee replacement without MRSA complications. Hopefully she will see this post and weigh in, but if you do a search in ‘Search Topic Names’ on main forum page http://www.mrsa-forum-usa.com/index.asp?action=list (insert her name - Nancy R) posts concerning her experiences will pop up .

Best wishes to you both.

ladyk

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Reply #4 by Nancy R.,
Posted: August 28, 2010 at 16:49
Funny I decide to check in today. You will feel MUCH better once the offending hardware is removed and your body gets a chance to kill the infection.

My doctors kept me on Bactrin and Cubicin (Daptomycin) and I was without any hardware in my hip for 10 weeks. When I was deemed "clean" they installed new hardware. I have never had another problem with infection since that point.

I truly believe that its impossible to clean out hardware once it becomes colonized. After all, bacteria is microscopic and can hide in tiny nooks and crannies.

You have to be clean before your body can heal and you can't be clean with dirty hardware.

You won't believe how quickly things will improve. Congratulations.

To answer your question about pain, you should have LESS because you will be healthy and not fighting infection. I'm pretty excited for you.

hugs,

Nancy R
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Reply #5 by Terri
Posted: August 28, 2010 at 23:55
Nancy,
Thanks for your reply. I finally read all of your previous posts yesterday and can see from all that you (and others) have been through that I've actually been pretty lucky. My foot has been healing well but two days ago I began having pain in an area the size of a dime right above the hardware and some swelling and pain on both sides right below my ankle that feels a lot like the initial cellulitis or MRSA. WBC showed normal but it was also normal when the infection started and my foot was swollen and hot. Does this sound like some pockets of infection have developed? I'll definetely see the IDD on monday but wondered if you have any thoughts on this. They can't take out that hardware if it is doing this can they? I appreciate your help- I was an investigator for 20 years but the research and attempting to get a clear picture of this has been my toughest case! Hope you are feeling well and thanks again
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Reply #6 by Terri
Posted: August 29, 2010
MROD424,
Just wondering how you're doing with the Cubicin. Antibiotics are a nightmare for me and the Cubicin has been trouble free so I have my fingers crossed for you!
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Reply #7 by ladyk
Posted: August 29, 2010 at 17:20
Nancy R -

Thanks so much, seems the vibe is as clear as ever!

Couldn't have said it better… you’re such an inspiration to me and others. Hope you are continuing to feel well in all respects, and enjoying the remaining days of summer. I'm doing well... outside of tweaking a knee recently, still pushing stamina, and still working with immune support with excellent results.

I got an email from Linda A the other day, hoping to entice her back to forum now and then.

Keep in touch, warm hugs through the air to you~

ladyk

Terri & MROD424 - Be sure to look into probiotics as pro-active measure to protect yourselves from acquiring C-diff, etc. (antibiotic therapy complications).

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Reply #8 by Terri
Posted: August 29, 2010 at 21:03
I think I had a similar test done when they were looking for pockets of infection. Did they draw blood, irradiate it and then inject it back into your body? If so, they will look for groupings of white corpuscles.If they find a large group, that indicates your body trying to fight infection.

Mine was not clear as to infection, but it did show small clusters at the wound site. If you have heat and pain at the site of the incision, you have infection. Plain and simple, its not normal. Normal healing isn't about swelling and pain so far post op.

I would also recommend probiotics and prebiotics to help your body heal and to replace good bacteria in your gut. You have to support your immune system. No one can stay on antibiotics indefinitely.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel, B U T you have to stay on top of things. Life is not a dress rehearsal. You are the star of this show and you need to be listened to. I always ask the doctor treating me what they would recommend for their mother, wife or daughter when they prescribe for me. Make them understand that you are a human being, loved by many and not just another patient. Tell him you want him to succeed, but you have to have all of the facts so that you can do your part. It is all about team work.

MRSA is deadly. So are the side effects of taking antibiotics for long periods of time. It's a balancing act. Once they replace your hardware, you will see an immediate improvement. As long as you are fighting infection, you are losing. I know I was terrified at having my hardware removed and it was the determination of one young doctor, Dr. Ronald Delanois, who made me really think. He saved my life. I wanted to cancel my surgery and just go away. He insisted that I fight. He is my champion. I cannot say enough good things about him.

Don't be afraid. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I have faith in YOU.

hugs,

Nancy
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Reply #9 by Terri
Posted: August 29, 2010 at 23:02
Nancy and Lady K

Thanks for the support- I am fired up and ready to get answers in the morning. I immediately started on probiotics with the antis- before all of this my main physician practiced integral complimentary medicine and after 14 yrs as his patient and studying Deepak Chopra, Andrew Weil, etc. I will hopefully be able to stay on top of things I need to do to regain wellness. Sometimes it is hard to remember I am not a set of medical problems with a person attatched but the other way around but joining this forum has been such a support. You are so right about the pro-pre biotics- my weight has dwindled to 99 pounds over the last several years so even a small stomach problem could be disaster for me. I hope you guys don't mind all of my questions (I'm sure I'll have more after tomorrow!) I am still trying to learn as quickly as possible and the reminder about the effects of long term antibiotics will give me one more thing to stress to the ortho that I want that hardware out-now! be well and Namaste
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Reply #10 by Nancy R
Posted: August 31, 2010 at 20:56
By the way, post #8 was me. I keep forgetting the MY name is posted first.

Terri:

I know in my gut that you will be well if you INSIST that your doctors listen to you and answer your questions without brushing you off. If, however, they attempt to make you seem foolish to inquire, then you are in the hands of apes. You are an intelligent woman determined to be well.

As for questions, that's what we are here for. We will always try to answer your questions respectfully and to the best of our knowledge. I am not a doctor, but I'm a survivor that learned the hard way to research, research, research. I lived. Many did not.

Nancy
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Reply #11 by Terri -
Posted: September 1, 2010 at 03:19
If you are not allergic to garlic, you might read the garlic threads on this forum. It should be a very educational experience for you.

Crushed raw non-irradiated garlic (CRG) kills MRSA on contact and MRSA cannot become immune to garlic the way it has pharmaceutical antibiotics because it kills in a different way.

This forum is the best place on the internet to learn about how to use garlic in different ways to fight MRSA - there is a lot more to it than eating it. When CRG is put into water, all of the water becomes antibiotic and is dose-dependent so a few cloves in a bathtub of water can kills all MRSA it comes into contact with.

Find out more about how garlic water can be used in many ways to kill all bacteria, including MRSA.

Educate yourself, an educated patient makes better decisions.

While you're about it, invite Deepak Chopra and Andrew Weil to come here and learn more about ways to use garlic than they ever even suspected.

Good luck to you.
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Reply #12 by Terri
Posted: September 3, 2010 at 01:58
What a great week! On Tuesday, after 13 months of dental implant surgery and other work- I finally received my full set of upper implant teeth and can eat real food! On wednesday- IDD said blood work is great and ortho scheduled hardware removal for next thursday and either 1 or two days or weeks later (I was so excited I forgot what they said)- Groshong IV line comes out! After two casts, two splints, a Freedom Leg device that allowed me to walk crutch free without my foot touching the floor (weight transfers to upper thigh like an artificial leg) and a walking boot- I have FINALLY cleared to walk (carefully) and wear a shoe on the injured foot for the first time since May- at least until next week (no weight bearing again for two weeks). After all of this- I can do two weeks standing on my head (but I won't-I could fall and break my foot!) It is so wonderful to begin regaining my freedom and independence. Any post surgery advice to make sure I'm not missing anything nec. to be as healthy as possible would be appreciated. Also-post # 11 from Terri- is that you Nancy? I am reading up on the garlic and as far as Deepak and Weil- they are two complimentary/ alternative nationally recognized "gurus" in that field and absolutely advocate the use of garlic but I'm sure even they could learn more on this site. Check into some of their teachings if you haven't. I was fortunate to meet Chopra at a speech he was giving here- awesome energy could be felt just shaking his hand. Thanks again for any advice you guys think I might need before the big day...
Namaste and feel well---Terri
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Reply #13 by Bob Anderson
Posted: September 4, 2010 at 03:48
Terri -

You are right about Deepak Chopra and Dr. Andrew Weil being gugus of natural medicine but all they ever do is talk about eating it. Crushed Raw non-irradiated garlic (CRG) can be far more effective against MRSA by either crushing it and rubbing it on the lesions or using garlic water in creative ways since the garlic water is highly antibiotic and better at killing MRSA than prescription antibiotics while having fewer unplesant side effects, is far cheaper and tastes better when you eat it. And most importantly, no staph, including MRSA can become immune to CRG.

Personally, I would dearly love an opportunity to discuss the uses of garlic with them.

Anywhere one can put garlic water it will kill staph or any other harmful bacteria. Skin lesions are treated with garlic water. One can gargle with it to cure strep throat. CRG can even be used in an enema to treat colonic disorders like IBS or Chron's disease, which are caused by bacteria in the colon and after a couple of garlic water enemas, normal function is usually restored.

I encourage you to read the many discussions in this forum about the creative ways of getting garlic water into a place where it can do some good. It may take more than one treatment and it doesn't make anyone immune to MRSA, it just overcomes it quickly and inexpensively every time it pops up.

Bacteria cannot become immune to CRG because it works differently than pharmaceutical antibiotics that depend on chemical receptors on the surface of staph but garlic bypasses the receptors by penetrating right through those bi-lipid cell walls and getting into the interior of the cells, causing them to swell up and burst, killing them and they cannot become immune to that. This is not speculation, it is exactly what happens but only if the CRG or garlic water containing it is applied directly to the site of the infection.

Actually, You've given me an idea; I would like to be able to put together a panel discussion with some of my multi-degreed colleagues and these two guys. I think once Drs. Weil and Chopra learn of these lab studies and the results they achieved, they would want to include these things into their own work in teaching people of the ways they can use natural things to obtain almost supernatural results. If they were aware of the way garlic water works, they would be talking about it.

My whole purpose in coming to this forum is to help people educate themselves about how natural garlic works and there is far more to it than just eating it.

No special kind of garlic is needed but the hotter the better. Any locally grown garlic will work as long as it has some pungency. Only irradiated garlic will not work because the radiation kills the garlic and the enzyme that triggers the whole process.

Read the other posts and find out how to tell the difference between natural garlic and irradiated garlic.

Good luck to you.

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Reply #14 by terri
Posted: September 4, 2010 at 05:12
Bob Anderson- It's been a while since I read any of Chopra or Weils work and it is curious why they haven't put more garlic treatments into their regimen. If Chopra ever speaks in your area it would be vey worthwhile to go hear him. As with any doctor, integral spec., etc. I always find there are some things I don't agree with (after researching) but I take the approach of using what makes sense to me
and avoiding the rest until further verification and never blindly follow any one "philosophy". Anyway- thanks for the heads up and I am on my way to the garlic thread to learn anything I can to help with the upcoming surgery. Question- I currently have some irritation and redness where my IV line comes out of my chest. Doesn't appear infected but I don't want anything to stop the hardware removal next thurs.
Of course I am keeping the area clean and sterile but is there a method I should use for garlic in this area? Maybe I will find the answer on the garlic thread but any thoughts you have would be appreciated. Namaste and be well... Terri
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Reply #15 by terri
Posted: September 4, 2010 at 05:13
Bob Anderson- It's been a while since I read any of Chopra or Weils work and it is curious why they haven't put more garlic treatments into their regimen. If Chopra ever speaks in your area it would be vey worthwhile to go hear him. As with any doctor, integral spec., etc. I always find there are some things I don't agree with (after researching) but I take the approach of using what makes sense to me
and avoiding the rest until further verification and never blindly follow any one "philosophy". Anyway- thanks for the heads up and I am on my way to the garlic thread to learn anything I can to help with the upcoming surgery. Question- I currently have some irritation and redness where my IV line comes out of my chest. Doesn't appear infected but I don't want anything to stop the hardware removal next thurs.
Of course I am keeping the area clean and sterile but is there a method I should use for garlic in this area? Maybe I will find the answer on the garlic thread but any thoughts you have would be appreciated. Namaste and be well... Terri
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Reply #16 by Bob Anderson
Posted: September 4, 2010 at 14:12
Terri -

If your upcoming surgery is major, be sure to discontinue eating garlic seven days before surgery as consuming garlic thins the blood and that prevents clotting which can affect recovery from surgery.

Garlic's blood-thinning capability makes it hard to have a heart attack or stroke because the garlic will not let the blood clots that cause these events form. Garlic's anti-aggregatory properties are well established in research. If one is on prescription blood thinners, they need to advise their physician so that he/she can adjust the dosage downward.

Just a word to the wise.






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Reply #17 by Nancy R
Posted: September 8, 2010 at 22:06
Post 11 was not me. I have never tried garlic so I can't recommend it. However, I'm not saying it won't work. I just never even knew about it when I was sick.
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