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Please help- 6 year old girl
Started by Jack Coffee
Posted: January 15, 2010 at 22:16
About three months ago I noticed a spider bite with my little girl...I thought it would go away. I feel like an idiot now because I never connected MRSA with a spider bite...

Anyways- two weeks ago I took her into the doctor office and they said it was a staph infection. We got a ten day doze of Cleocin Pediatric...The infection got better- but we still see puss on the top of the pimple- so I took her into the doctor today- and the drained it for a culture...The doctor told me she thinks she got it all...

That leaves me with two questions...

1) Why did Cleocin not work for this MRSA? This was supposed to be the antibiotic (one of three) that still works against MRSA? Our doctor had no answers...

2) The doctor said that MRSA can just colonize....That it never goes away...So do we just treat the skin infection and there is no way to knock this bug out? This bug will keep coming back and back?

I feel like a dumb dad- but we are seeing an infectious disease specialist next week and I am trying to make up for lost time of thinking it was a spider bite...

ps- does the garlic really work?
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Re: Please help- 6 year old girl
Reply #1 by linda mccafferty
Posted: January 16, 2010
Dear Jack , i would seek a doctor's advice regarding wanting to treat your daughter topically with garlic , in my opinion a 6 yr old's skin is to sensitive , burn's in children have been reported .
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Re: Please help- 6 year old girl
Reply #2 by Bob Anderson
Posted: January 16, 2010 at 02:01
I am not a doctor and cannot give any medical advice, all I can do is discuss the characteristics of crushed raw garlic and its herbal applications.

Crushed raw garlic kills staph and other bacteria on contact even when diluted in water (A medium-large size clove to a quart of water.) Garlic water is the least toxic approach unless a person is allergic to garlic. If it doesn't work, there is no harm done.

Crushed raw garlic applied directly to the skin is very effective but it does burn and a better use would be in garlic water as that works but does not burn. It may require more than one application. It can also be used as an antibiotic spray.

Please see the thread on garlic water to learn more.

There has been a great deal learned about garlic in the last 10-20 years but most of it hasn't filtered down to the general public yet. What I'm trying to do is educate the general public about these discoveries about ordinary garlic - not irradiated garlic, it doesn't work.

If you will read the thread on garlic water, you will learn how to tell the difference between natural garlic and irradiated garlic.

And, yes, you should always see a doctor whenever your child has a problem. You should also know what other options you may have and their relative toxicity and how to use them effectively. Crushed raw garlic is strictly a folk/herbal remedy for which there are no standards and it's not included in any approved protocols but it can work in many circumstances, especially topical ones, it's the deeper ones that are harder to deal with.

Hope this helps

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Re: Please help- 6 year old girl
Reply #3 by ladyk
Posted: January 16, 2010 at 04:17
Jack Coffee -

Cleocin = Clindamycin

In my opinion it is to your benefit to read and become knowledgeable about affliction so you can address it appropriately. First and foremost you are right in keeping ID appointment as MRSA can rapidly spiral out of control, especially in the young. There are many topics on forum that contain value information concerning MRSA. The only way you can protect your little one is to know what you/she is up against. *Seriously address the following issue with Infectious Disease specialist… direct concern “Clindamycin Inducible Resistance” specifically D-zone test, a diagnostic test that depicts if Clindamycin became resistant upon ingestion.

Another caution:
Complications Of MRSA Antibiotic Therapy
http://www.mrsa-forum-usa.com/index.asp?forumID=7776&subject=Complications-Of-MRSA-Antibiotic-Therapy

Clindamycin = KNOWN TO CAUSE CLOSTRIDIUM DIFFICILE
Acquiring C-diff is AS intolerable… (symptoms include 10 or more trips to BR, to expelling blood, to potential bowel perforation), …AS MRSA can be - equally as difficult to control once infected/over populated.)

Therefore the following topic thread below is an important pro-active measure you have control over in attempt to avoid acquiring C-diff, due to antibiotic therapy created system imbalance of necessary flora, which co-exist on and in us.

Prebiotics – Probiotics
(Prebiotics will give you food ideas which when ingested, naturally feed ‘good bacteria’ flora, which keep destructive ‘bad bacteria’ in check.)
http://www.mrsa-forum-usa.com/index.asp?forumID=13998&subject=Prebiotics-Probiotics

*Also adding Activia yogurt, kefir, (equivalent) is a good idea every day.

Have you attempted to decolonize using Hibiclens antimicrobial wash and Bactroban ointment? Are you using precautions not to spread bacteria which is a contagion? Where is lesion located? Are you covering lesion - cover lesion using gloves.

MRSA offers not immunity, meaning bacteria can be spread to other sites about her body, as well as others.

We're here to help Jack, ask as many questions as you have, we'll help all we can.

Wishing you/daughter well.

ladyk

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Re: Please help- 6 year old girl
Reply #4 by Jack Coffee
Posted: January 16, 2010 at 15:13
Thanks for the responses. A couple of follow-up questions.

1) I will bring up the use of garlic to the ID guys- this does kill MRSA? Or does it just clean up the skin legion but MRSA is still around? My big issue is having MRSA pop up as a secondary infection to say seasonal flu...So clearly I want to kill this thing- but perhaps we cant...

2) I read the link about complications of anti-biotics but in our case our little girl had no issues and has completed the drug about 4 days ago- so I think we are in the clear with the side-effects.

3) Clindamycin Inducible Resistance- got that down to talk with the ID guys.

The infection is on the back of the leg- currently we are using Altabax but will find our next treatment with the ID guys this Thursday. I am going to spray the house with a Clorox mix today and we are washing our hands- the legion is usually in a pimple like area- and does not leak.
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Re: Please help- 6 year old girl
Reply #5 by ladyk
Posted: January 16, 2010 at 15:26
Jack -

I also wanted to provide this link for you concerning youngster's probiotics, kid approved (our 3 year old grand-daughter loves it!) http://www.yoplait.com/products_yoplaitkids.aspx

(If you are unsure about adding this to daughter's diet question ID about Clindamycin and C-diff.)


As for garlic, I did not see where Jack asked about… ‘topical use of garlic’ on the child's skin!


But certainly allicin has proven studies to back up its usefulness in combating MRSA bacterial infections. IF... anyone was considering topical treatments such as bleach baths, or garlic baths, this should obviously be passed by physician for opinion. If you do decide to try these other methods of topical care be sure to start off with highly diluted concentrations.

When I first contracted MRSA, bleach baths were not the norm, and there was much scoffing and strong opinionated unknowing individuals raising the roof over it. Now it is the norm and many ID specialist recommend 'diluted' bleach baths for tough to treat topical lesion care. Same would be true for garlic baths/topical sprays/etc. Point being those who haven't been there - should refrain from opinions on the matter.

To answer your question Jack ["does the garlic really work?"]
Personally speaking I resorted to a particular garlic supplement when all other antibiotics failed including vancomycin and combinations there of. I believe it was this supplement along with others (building the immune system to optimal) that brought me back to my feet and saved my life. Also there is a growing amount of information on forum to read concerning garlic/allicin and its antibiotic properties.

As well, there are many topics on forum concerning children and their fragilities when MRSA is a factor. You would not want to compromise this child topically as in doing so you will have opened more avenues for MRSA to capitalize on being it is 'aggressive and opportunistic' in nature.

Hope this helps you Jack.

ladyk

PS Be sure child is lesion and nare cultured during appointment with ID specialists next week. Request it! Also consider having family members nare cultured to see if anyone in family is a carrier.

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Re: Please help- 6 year old girl
Reply #6 by ladyk
Posted: January 16, 2010 at 15:40
Jack -

ALTABAX is not indicated for methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). MRSA bacteria is known to be resistant to this ointment!
http://www.altabax.com/skin-infections/antibacterial-resistance.html

You would do better to use Bactroban ointment (prescription) equivalent Bacitracin
(local pharmacy) some have even had good results using Neosporin which would have more benefit than Altabax.

ladyk

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Re: Please help- 6 year old girl
Reply #7 by Bob Anderson
Posted: January 16, 2010 at 17:22
Jack -

Yes, I do think it is a good idea to discuss garlic with your daughter's doctor and I also think it is a good idea to learn more about garlic before you talk to the doctor so as to be well informed.

The articles you see on this forum represent the state of the art knowledge about the research going on into garlic as told to me in person by some of the most qualified garlic experts in the world. If you will read these articles you will know a lot more about exactly how crushed raw garlic works and why staph, including MRSA cannot become immune to it.

It is not my place to suggest specific treatment in any given case, only my place to educate in general terms so that people can decide for themselves from a position of being more knowledgeable about it.

If you want to know more, there is a scholarly tome called "Garlic, The Science and Therapeutic Application of Allium Staivum L. and Related Species" by Heinrich Kock, Ph. D. and Larry Lawson, Ph. D. that is no longer in print but your local library can probably find you a copy. It is a very intellectual treatise on garlic that is difficult to read but basically says the same things I have been saying.

One thing to remember, Many thousands have died from taking prescription pharmaceuticals according to directions and under a doctor's care but I have never heard of anyone dying from eating or using garlic in any way.

First, do no harm.

Don't take my word for things, Google these names and find out who these people are and what they have revealed ab out garlic: Eric Block, Ph. D. - SUNY, David Mirelman, Ph. D. - Weitzman Institute and Gowsala P. Sivam, Ph. D.o Bastyr U.

Be sure to read the part comparing crushed raw garlic to garlic pills and oils - there's a huge difference. The garlic pills and oils are excellent at restoring the immune system while crushed raw garlic is a strong natural antibiotic that kills MRSA on contact and MRSA cannot become immune to that - a discovery of Dr. David Mirelman, as far as I know because he told me about it over dinner one evening in Tulsa, OK in 2001.


Hope this helps and I wish you and your daughter well.

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