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Started by Steve R
Posted: December 3, 2009 at 12:42
I had a real unusual bout with MRSA in my lung. I have not been in the hospital and was in general great health. I had some pain in my shoulder blade and just happened to be at a regular doctor appointment. I asked my doctor about the pain and he checked me and could not make the pain through moving my body. He said he thought it was a pulled muscle and told me to go to the ER as a precaution. He said it was going to be the most expensive pulled muscle diagonoses. After a Cat Scan I was told I had two masses in my lungs. I was told they were going to need to take a wedge out of my lung or basically remove a third of my lung. I was put on antibotics and had to wait almost 30 days before they went into my lung through my mouth to sample these masses. I was told for almost 30 days that they thought it could be cancer. After the test it was confirmed that I had MRSA IN MY LUNGS. I was treated with antibotics and they went away. I have never felt the same since. Many of the same symptoms that I read in these stories. My symptoms are different and can change daily. That's why its so hard to communicate with the DR's. I know that my sickness must be caused by this MRSA because I was never sick and lived a very healty life. I'm concerned that its still floating around my body. I pray it never returns. If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. The medical community has not caught up with the virus so we really need to help each other.

Reply #1 by ladyk
Posted: December 3, 2009 at 13:40
Steve R –

I am sorry you have had such a difficult time with MRSA infection. How are you feeling today? Do you have an Infectious Disease specialist on your team of physicians? Since your MRSA infection is taking place in a major organ which sustains life I’m sure I do not need to tell you how serious an issue this can be.

I have a few questions if you don’t mind… how old are you? Do you smoke? Did you have cold symptoms before CT Scan? I saw were you mentioned being on antibiotic for 30 days prior to wedge resection, but can you tell me was a sputum culture done before procedure? Any difficulty breathing? Did you have breathing treatments? What antibiotics have you been on, and for how long? Are you immune compromised with any other health issues?

Steve, your body has taken a serious bacterial blow with this infection. Additionally, antibiotic therapy can be quite harsh on our systems not only with side effects of their own, but they disrupt the normal balance of our body killing off not only destructive system invaders but the good bacteria that keep the bad bacteria in check. It is so important for you to build your immune system so that it may function as it is biologically preprogrammed to do. Many of us who are MRSA positive accomplish this utilizing immune system support.

Please read through the forum topics as there is valuable information from many others suffering with MRSA who are able to control MRSA bacteria. Become knowledgeable about your affliction… so you are best equipped to deal with lingering symptoms and start on the road toward feeling better.

If you would like to discuss immune support further let me know.

Best to you.
Reply #2 by Steve R
Posted: December 3, 2009 at 16:36
Thanks for the fast response. I go through spells of feeling OK and then I get symptoms all over. I did see an ID in the Hospital but have not since. My DR is and Internal Specialist. I'm 48 and do not smoke. I did not have any cold symptoms. My DR tells me I'm a very unusal case. I was never sick and did not even have a fever. My DR said I should have been very ill and that my blood counts should have been off as well. All I had was a pain in my shoulder or that's what we thought. I don't remember a culture being done. They actually went into my lung and got the sample. I had one breathing treatment in the hospital but nothing after that. I took a very expensive antibiotic for two different two week sessions - don't remember the name. I have diabetes and HBP but nothing way out of line just boarderline on both. I agree about the knowledge. They are not dealing out a lot of information but my DR did say that the chances are it would come back and it could be anywhere not just in my lung again. Scary. I appreciate any information you can provide - I'm trying to manage the fact that I have not felt the same since this infection in my lung. I did have what they thought was a spider bite several months before the MRSA and now I know that was probably the entrance into my body - it was no bite....
Reply #3 by ladyk
Posted: December 3, 2009 at 17:11
You’re welcome Steve.

In light of the potential seriousness of your infection my leaning is to have ID on board should things spiral out of control. Also if lung lesions reoccur you might suggest nebulizer treatments with Vancomycin, which would provide antibiotic directly to respiratory system.

Having contracted MRSA is quite enough to deal with, add to it compromising factor of borderline diabetes creates a step up in difficulties with immune response… fighting infection/healing/etc. Be sure to keep sugars as close to range as possible, this will assist your body’s function greatly.

Also you should consider nasal drainage/sputum secretions as contagious and take precautions in disposing of throw away tissues appropriately, followed by correct hand washing technique. If MRSA is still in your lungs secretions may contain MRSA bacteria making cross contamination probable, as such it is possible to cross contaminate bacteria to other sites about your body – as well as others.

To reduce bacteria you might consider using Hibiclens 3x weekly to control bacteria over load.

I’m going to put up the immune support regimen I follow below this post for you to take a look at, feel free to ask as many questions as you have.


Reply #4 by ladyk
Posted: December 3, 2009 at 17:18

Here are a few things that have helped me in my battle with MRSA...

Allibiotic CF (Contains Stabilized Allicin)
NOW® Allibiotic CF™ is scientifically designed to help support healthy seasonal and year-round immune function. This potent herbal formula is fuelled by Allisure®, a clinically-tested, safe and unique form of stabilized Allicin. Allicin is responsible for the strong immune supporting properties in garlic, and has become an increasingly popular way to promote overall wellness.
In addition to Allisure®, we've added Elderberry Extract, Olive Leaf Extract and Oregano Oil - three natural compounds that have been used extensively to provide sound immune system support. ImmunoEnhancer™ AG is a non-digestible soluble fiber from Larch that has been included as a prebiotic supplement and helps in supporting healthy intestinal flora - a key component of immune response. 4 daily * $12.50 (60 softgels)

*Some people on this forum take up to 6000mg odorless garlic daily.
Garlic (allium sativum) works by converting allin compounds into allicin – powerful phytonutrients with strong antioxidant properties that neutralize free radicals within cells. Odorless Garlic is concentrated in a 100:1 extract to yield high amounts of scordinin, a unique sulfur compound which may be responsible for many of garlic’s renowned benefits.

LiquiMax (or equivalent)
LiquiMax is a natural liquid multivitamin and mineral formula enhanced with essential amino acids, fatty acids and a full spectrum of herbal extracts. Liquimax is a convenient, great-tasting liquid. Just one ounce or two tablespoons a day gives you 100% Daily Value of ten essential vitamins plus minerals and a whole lot more. Vitamins A,C & E - support cardiovascular and circulatory health while maintaining a healthy immune system. Amino Acids - contribute to healthy skin, hair and nails. Omega 3, 6, 9 - helps maintain heart and vascular health. CoEnzyme Q10 - supports heart health and is essential for the production of energy by every cell in the body. Lutein - helps support healthy eye function. Herbs - full spectrum of healthy herbs including Green Tea and Grape Seed Extract. $12.29 month supply

High dosing with Vit C Immune Defense. I accomplish this by using Emergen-C packets ea 1000mg mixed in water, at the moment I ingest 4000mg daily.

Vit B12 No Shot (sublingually/under tongue) also gives an extra boost when feeling depleted.

I do add Oil of Oregano from time to time.

Juicing is fun, nutritious, a good treat, and just makes you feel as though you are contributing toward feeling better.

Prebiotics – Probiotics

Please take note, there is no quick fix, these measures take time... one need to stick with them to experience favorable results.

Hope this helps you Steve.
Reply #5 by ladyk
Posted: December 3, 2009 at 17:45
Just another thought…

Question: Have you attempted to decolonize nares (nostrils) using Bactroban antibiotic ointment? There is an over the counter equivalent but due to the potential seriousness of your situation, consulting physician is recommended. You would need to consult physician as Bactroban ointment is prescription. Decolonization of nares is accomplished using antibiotic ointment on Q-tip swirled in nares 2x daily x5 days – then stop. Since we are dealing with resistance factor concerning MRSA bacteria, and there is data on the table concerning Bactroban resistance, it is best to use judiciously and strictly follow protocol. There is also debate on the table concerning usefulness of decolonizing… but since we know our nares are a common colonization site for MRSA – this becomes a reservoir of pathogenic contagion capable of being cross contaminated to other sites about your body and others as well. Another argument some physicians hold is… once decolonized all it takes is to go out into the public arena to become colonized again.

My stance is… it is best to control bacteria as much as possible.

Reply #6 by Lois
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 06:58
Thanks ladyk with all the information on what to take and where to get it!!!
Reply #7 by Nancy R
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 15:15
I agree with Postman that you have been exposed to MRSA in the lungs along the way and have probably just forgotten. Have you visited anyone in a nursing home or hospital in that time frame? Heck, you could have been in gym or at work and been exposed if someone had a bad cough and wasn't diagnosed. It wouldn't be the most likely way, but this has nothing to do with a "spider bite".

You really do need to have an ID as your primary physician when dealing with MRSA in the lungs. It can go south VERY quickly.
Reply #8 by ladyk
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 15:18
Lois -

You're welcome.

Sorry I didn't get it to you sooner. How are you feeling?

Reply #9 by Steve R
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 17:21
Well I went to my DR today. I have been having pain in the lower part of my front rib cage and right up by my neck basically the bottom and top of my left lung. I have had this pain since I found out that I had MRSA my lung. It really frustrating because they did a x-ray and the initinal look was everything was normal. Pain is not normal so they are thinking about another C-Scan next week. I should be glowing from all my x-rays and Cat Scans. I never thought I would have something like this. I have three small children and just don't want anything to happen to them.
Reply #10 by ladyk
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 19:11
postman –

I have been patient with you since you have been banned from this forum… I have been lenient in leaving some of your current posts up, but if you continue to take nonsensical swipes at me I will not hesitate to delete you again so do not take tolerance for weakness.

Since you are looking for rebuttal… Yes, MRSA in lungs IS ‘acquired’ from an infectee who expels MRSA contaminated airborne droplets which are inhaled by another. Or by bacterial nasal carriage where colonization in respiratory tract (nose) due to cold/flu is enough to cause irritation for bacteria to capitalize on and infect.

Strep is a secondary complication, and is another common aggressive (often resistant) bacteria which takes opportunity when immune defenses are weakened. It is not always the case that one succumbs to secondary complications.

[“The germ, which is spread by casual contact, produces potent toxins that kill disease-fighting white blood cells. That rapidly turns minor rug burns, cuts and other skin infections into serious health problems, apparently including "necrotizing" abscesses that eat away tissue. Previously, such cases were thought to be caused only by strep bacteria.

In other cases, the microbe gets into the lungs, causing unusually serious cases of pneumonia, often on the heels of the flu, or spreads into the bloodstream, triggering life-threatening complications.”]
[“Natalie's fine now. But it took a second look at her lab work, five kinds of antibiotics, four days in the hospital and missing the metro swim meet to get over her MRSA pneumonia. She took the last of the antibiotics on March 8 - 27 days after she woke with a cough.
Rupp said most MRSA infections can be treated with Vancomycin, an antibiotic given by injection. And older sulfa drugs like Bactrim sometimes work on MRSA infections acquired outside hospital settings.
Rupp said a quarter to one-third of healthy people carry normal, drug-susceptible staphylococcus aureus on their skin or in their noses and mouths.

"It doesn't make you sick until it gets an opportunity," he said. "Usually, it's when you have some sort of break in normal immunity."

In the case of skin infections, the bacteria can enter a tiny scrape on the skin and spread through the blood. *In the case of a lung infection, bacteria already in your mouth or nose might get into your lungs after a viral infection rips up your airways.

Dr. Nancy Cornish, a pathologist and microbiologist at Methodist Hospital and Children's Hospital, said most pneumonias are caused by bacteria already in the body.

"Usually somebody has an upper respiratory tract infection first," she said.”]

One would be remiss to believe since MRSA colonizes nares… (which is open avenue) part of respiratory system, that bacteria is unable to reach lungs.

You are cautioned to comment without your predisposition to take swipes. Again.

Reply #11 by ladyk
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 19:17
Steve R -

I am very concerned about you in your current situation. PLEASE seek Infectious Disease specialist... and take precautions by attempting to decontaminate your household environment. If you need information on this we are here to help you in whatever way we can.

Reply #12 by postman
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 20:13

Post number 12 maybe the only thing standing between you and a funeral home. Take the advice.
Reply #13 by Steve R
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 20:47
As expected they just called me and said my Lung x-ray was totally normal and there is no explanation for this pain. I think they are going to schedule a CT scan for next week. I will look into the possibility of finding an IFD DR. He did tell me he wanted me to see a lung specialist soon as well. Thnaks for all your comments. Do you both have MRSA or how do you both know so much about this subject.
Reply #14 by ladyk
Posted: December 4, 2009 at 21:10
Steve R -

Yes, I contracted MRSA a few years back along with two other 'superbugs' (multi drug resistant bacteria) Pseudomonas aeruginosa, and subsequently C-diff due to antibiotic therapy attempting to kill the other bacteria. It was a grand struggle to save my life. Initially I had two exploratory surgeries. Since, I have had MRSA related complications some of which have required additional surgeries as well as biopsies - one breast, one bridge of foot for unexplained anomalies.

I have 30 years in the medical profession, that’s as far as I will expand on experience.


Reply #15 by Steve R
Posted: December 7, 2009 at 20:17
Thanks for sharing. It looks like we all have had some bad cards dealt to us. I have a CT Scan on Tuesday. I hoping and believing that nothing will show up in my lung again........
Reply #16 by Nancy R
Posted: December 7, 2009 at 23:50

I DID have MRSA, but I'm clean and have been since August 2007.
Reply #17 by Lois
Posted: December 8, 2009 at 02:13
I am recovering from HA-MRSA after effects. I started out with pain in an abdominal incision and felt like a "beached whale". It turned out that MRSA was in the incision and.......double pneumonia in the bottom of each lung. It was difficult to diagnose. They relied on blood tests along with other symptoms. I never had a cough. It was weird.

Be determined and persistent advocating for yourself.
Reply #18 by Steve R
Posted: December 10, 2009 at 17:58
Cat Scan was completely negative as was the x-ray. No reason for the pain says it might be scarring from the MRSA that was in there last year. Frustrating
Reply #19 by ladyk
Posted: December 10, 2009 at 19:02
Steve –

I agree you should seek a lung specialist who can assist you with pulmonary treatments. Be sure he/she is aware you are MRSA positive, and divulge all that surrounds your case. Additionally I believe you would benefit from having an ID on board who will work in concert with lung specialist. I also believe nare reculture is necessary.

In the meantime I’m of the opinion you would greatly benefit from building your immune system.

Glad your CT scan was negative, but I’m ever skeptical when MRSA is involved.

There is an interesting collection of videos up on the website’s science section, you might take a moment and check them out. (under drop down menu at right)

How are you feeling generally?

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