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Hibiclens
Started by Ruth
Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:39
My husband became a MRSA carrier after one of his hospital stays. Although he has never had an outbreak, I ended up getting it...I've been plagued with MRSA infections for the last year. I just recently found out that it was actually MRSA because I finally got a boil tested. I had a boil on my upper thigh, then in the pubic area, then in both of my ears, then finally on my face (my chin). I was treated with Clyndamycin and Mupirocin ointment. In addition my doctor said to scrub my fingernails once per day with Hibiclens and a nail brush. It has been 2 months and thank God it appears to be gone though I haven't actually been retested...but no more boils. I have been scrubbing my nails with Hibiclens about 3 times per day...a little excessive but I don't care...Also, I keep alcohol wipes at my desk and use them on my hands a couple times a day and I use a lot of antibacterial gel throughout the day. I am VERY vigilant about refraining from (this was a problem before) "picking"...pimples, cuts, nose, etc...If I screw up and pick then I try really hard to IMMEDIATELY scrub my fingertips/nails with some sort of antibacterial soap (Hibiclens if it is nearby)...I also keep Hibiclens wipes closeby...but they can get expensive so I use them sparingly. I am hoping that these steps are why I haven't had another outbreak...wish me luck!
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Reply #1 by Ruth
Posted: August 27, 2009 at 03:48
I have NO idea why this entry was posted 3 times...sorry.
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Reply #2 by Joe
Posted: August 27, 2009 at 04:45
Hi Ruth ! I just want to let you know that I had a very difficult fight with recurring Mrsa infections for more than nine month. During those nine month I have learned an important lesson dealing with mrsa. Taking the right antibiotics to wich the bacteria showed sensitivity in the culture test and Hibiclens was the most effective treatment against mrsa.The combinations of the right antibiotics and Hibiclens helped me to get rid of mrsa and I am free of it for more than a year now without using any kind of medicine ,without using Hibiclens for more than a year.
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Reply #3 by ladyk
Posted: August 27, 2009 at 14:12
Ruth –

Your over indulgence (misuse) of Hibiclens has more severe consequences than you think. I understand why you are over using, but your theory for doing so is a double edged sword. First of all we are dealing with an aggressive, multi-drug resistant, pathogenic, contagion when discussing MRSA. One should be ever mindful we run the risk of "resistance" when over using products.

Biologically speaking… if one washes ALL bacteria from body you are washing away the “good” bacteria which keep destructive bacteria in check. Bacteria both good and bad co-exist on each and every one of us, when there is disruption in balance “bad” bacteria over populate and we experience system illness. When this imbalance occurs you have a door left wide open for not only MRSA to capitalize on, but other serious system invaders can/will capitalize on this opportunity as well. It would be to your great advantage to become knowledgeable about your affliction so you can protect yourself with proactive measures. BALANCE is key.

For instance… there is an ever increasing volume of data concerning “Clindamycin Inducible Resistance” when used in the battle against MRSA. One’s culture sensitivity may show Clindamycin sensitive initially, BUT upon ingestion of this antibiotic many sensitivity recultures depict resistance directly. The only way to prove this particular antibiotic is indeed sensitive is to perform a lab D-zone test, even then this is not the common drug of choice with most favorable results in reducing bacteria over load when it comes to MRSA. It is also high on list for acquired C-diff.

Here is one example:
[“But without the D-zone test, our 68 Staphylococcus aureus isolates with inducible Clindamycin resistance would have been misclassified as Clindamycin sensitive, resulting in therapeutic failure. This is where the D-zone test becomes significant and important.

As Clindamycin is one of the most commonly used antibiotics for MRSA strains, the increasing Clindamycin resistance in the form of iMLSB and cMLSB, limits the therapeutic options for MRSA to the antibiotics like Linezolid and Vancomycin.

We hereby conclude that without the D-zone test, all Staphylococcus aureus isolates with inducible Clindamycin resistance would have been misidentified as Clindamycin susceptible by routine antibiotic susceptibility testing methods, resulting in the misuse of Clindamycin and treatment failure.

Hence, all clinical microbiology laboratories should perform the D-zone test as per the CLSI guidelines 2004, which is simple and inexpensive, when Staphylococci appear to be Erythromycin resistant and Clindamycin susceptible by routine tests. “]
(Journal of Clinical and Diagnostic Research June 2009 Vol 3 Issue 3 Pg 1513-1518)

In my opinion you would do best to stick to common topical and internal care protocols. If you’d like to discuss this further let me know.

Hope this info helps you.

Best wishes,

ladyk
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Reply #4 by Nancy R
Posted: August 28, 2009
LadyK:

I love reading your replies. You have a way of explaining even the minutia in a way that makes perfect sense. Bravo and keep up the good work.
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Reply #5 by Ruth
Posted: August 28, 2009 at 03:23
Thanks for the info LadyK..makes sense...didn't think about it that way. This whole MRSA thing just REALLY SUCKS.
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Reply #6 by ladyk
Posted: August 30, 2009 at 15:13
Nancy R -

Awww you're very sweet, thank you. I'm always concerned with making explanations understandable, glad to see I'm having some success.

I've missed you over the summer, and hope that you had a great one with no influence from medical issues. You deserve the break so much with all you've gone through. It has been the perfect summer for me. We got to break away and best of all destination was remote enough on New England coast island that cottage had no computer access... so no temptation! Everything forced to back burner. Spent time with life long friends from all corners of the globe (some we had not seen for almost twenty years), lots of laughter, relaxation, and time to renew. I highly recommend this!!!

Warm hugs to you through the air my friend~ ~

ladyk



Ruth -

You're welcome.
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Reply #7 by christina rose
Posted: September 1, 2009
In november 2008 I was admitted to the hospital for 7 days due to am mrsa infection on my cheek. I received iv antibiotics of vancomycin and Zyvox when I was discharged from the hospital. Recently, I have had another boil, it has already healed and gone away, but I think the infection could still be in my body. I have been working in a hospital for the past two months, but I my insurance benefits dont kick in until november. I am terrified of this infection. I dont have a primary care physician, and Im not sure if an emergency room is necessary, What should I do, and how should I go about having those tests run. I am 23 and already have a 20,000 dollar bill from my hopstial stay and cant really afford a lot of testing.
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Reply #8 by Jenn in pa
Posted: September 1, 2009 at 02:25
I was also diagnosed with HS with MRSA...I have had this on & off for years. Shaving legs, underarms, bikini area can cause an outbreak. I have been to numerous doctors over the years and even had an entire section of my underarm removed due to such a large outbreak that required immediate radical treatment.
I have learned to #1 use hibiclens at least 1x a week, if I have any outbreaks I use this daily and leave on my skin for at least 4 minutes (avoid your mucus membranes - eyes/lips etc) then shower off.
#2 my infectious disease doctor recommended sterile pads soaked in iodine, alternating with hydrogen peroxide after showering or at night
#3 bactracin or mupirocin 2% - must be obtained with a prescription
#4 always keep covered with a sterile gauze

I have heard though that everyone can be different in regard to the ointment and antibiotic that MRSA will respond to because of course it is resistant to some, and a culture will need to be done to determine the best one for each person.

I also developed a allergy to regular adhesive in bandages after having MRSA so paper tape it probably the best approach. adhesives now literally "eat" my skin for some reason no one can explain.

I also know that you must have 3 negative cultures over a course of at least 1 year for a dr to clear you of having MRSA.

MRSA lives in the nasal passages which is why you hear about the nose being cultured, but it also can live on skin and does for almost 95% of our population without any adverse reactions, in people with a compromised immune system, extra preventative care should be taken to limit exposure, especially for anyone living in close proximity to those who have had MRSA.

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Reply #9 by Kim-Kitty
Posted: September 3, 2009 at 06:10
Thank you for the good info. I always wondered about how long neg. cultures were required for you to be clear of MRSA> I also have developed an "allergy" of some sort to adhesive in bandaids.

Glad to know the prodical your ID Dr. recommends about the iodine/hydrogen peroxide sterile pads too.
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Reply #10 by Nancy R
Posted: September 7, 2009 at 18:55
Lady K:

I had a delightful summer,thank you. I live on the east coast. It would have be nice to meet you. If you ever get to Maryland, look me up!

Nancy
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Reply #11 by Jen
Posted: September 10, 2009
I was also diagnosed along with my sister a year ago after a trip to Dinsey world. We both returned home with large boils in our eye brows. We had both used tweezers and placed then on the counter top. We both had our boils lanced and both samples came back positive for msra which we new nothing about at all!
Since then my sister went for her yearly check up with her OBGYN and wouldnt you know.....this infection presented itself in her pap.
I have had about 2 similar bumps come back but it went away by taking a prescription before it got worse. (My doctor gave me a presription to keep on hand so I would not have to go to the ER if it was on a weekend. This weekend I had no choice but to go to the ER because my face was throbbing due to the newest one on my temple.
I know I have a "picking problem" as well. I can not leave anything alone. It is a terrible habit but I need to break it.
I am always around my 2 yr old niece (whose mother had it) I am so scared I will pass it to her.
I cover anything that looks like it and I did not test positive as a carrier. Does that mean I keep getting it from someone else? Can I pass it to my family? I am sooooo confused but happy there are plenty of people in the same boat to offer help and advice.

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Reply #12 by Ruth
Posted: September 13, 2009 at 20:11
Dear Joe,

I never took the opportunity to thank you for your reply and for your encouragment.

I wish the best for you and your success!! :)
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Reply #13 by Joe
Posted: September 14, 2009
Hi Ruth ! I am just trying to let everybody know that , yes there is effective treatment out there and I am the liveing example of that. As I said before it took me nine month to find out what works and what does not against Mrsa so the right antibiotics and Hibiclens will do the job.
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Reply #14 by taunia
Posted: September 14, 2009 at 01:30
What causes us to pick at our skin? I know It is something I have done since I was little. I have a bad complexion and cannot stand having pimples. so I try to pop them. It never caused problems before my first absess, which came about in the form of a small pimple ,on back of my leg ,on the top or so I thought it was. I acidently scratched it and within hours it was massive and I was so sick. I know picking isnt good but why for so many years did it not affect us?

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Reply #15 by Ruth
Posted: September 16, 2009 at 02:06
Taunia,

I wish I knew the answer. Could it be that picking is a sort of obsessive/compulsive disorder? I've been doing it since I was little as well. It seems to have a drug affect of sorts...weird. The website that I noted earlier has been a great help to me ...especially knowing that there are SO many others that suffer from this...disorder(?).

As far as it turning into MRSA...I think mine was caused by caused by cross contamination...caused by picking...MRSA is, the way I understand it a newer form of staph...at least CA MRSA is....so maybe that's why we were never affected by it before...just a thought.

Please check out the website when you can. It is very helpful :)
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Reply #16 by Samantha {products edited out}
Posted: December 30, 2010 at 16:43
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Reply #16 by Samantha

To all who suffer from MRSA,
I have had 4 MRSA boils in 6 month period span. I was feeling like everything around me was contaminated and I could be giving it to my family. I took all precautions that I was aware of. This includes washing everyone's sheets every couple of days with bleach and hot water. My poor washing machine was working overtime to constantly wash everyone's clothes. Sanitizing wipes were always at hand to wipe any surface I could think of.
I drank {edited}, took my vitamins, bathed in Hibiclens body wash, and eliminated flour and sugar from my diet for almost 30 days. I drank water {edited} that made me lose weight and I began to feel extremely good.
It's been 2 1/2 months with no outbreaks (finger's crossed). I have got cuts and still no MRSA. I pray it's gone forever. I definitely appreciate my health now.
I hope my methods can help anyone who suffers from this horrible bacteria. xo
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Reply #17 by Susan
Posted: January 26, 2011 at 03:22
Actually Hibiclens is an antiseptic, in the way that many household cleaners are antiseptics meaning they do not discriminate between bacteria or other living cells. The odds of a bacteria forming a resistance against an antiseptic product is like a bacteria being resistant to bleach.
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Reply #18 by Dr. Dave
Posted: October 27, 2013
Of course there's antiseptic resistance. True, it's (a lot) different from antibiotic
resistance, which are relatively minor changes in phenotype like a new enzyme,
rather than a cell wall being dissolved. There's even bleach-resistance:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22296329/

Methanopyrus Kandleri is a microbe that lives and breeds at 250 degrees
Fahrenheit:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2490668/



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