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Prebiotics - Probiotics
Started by ladyk
Posted: December 30, 2008 at 17:01
About Prebiotics
Prebiotics are a very specific type of food. While many of the food ingredients we consume are digested immediately, prebiotics are a healthy non-digestible food ingredient. Furthermore, prebiotics are heat resistant, which keep them intact during the baking process and allow them to be incorporated into every day food choices. By consuming a non-digestible ingredient, it allows for growth of bio-cultures by reaching the intestine unaffected by the digestion process. The positive effects prebiotics have by reaching the intestine in an unaltered form is known as the prebiotic effect.

Prebiotic Effect
A prebiotic effect occurs when there is an increase in the activity of healthy bacteria in the human intestine. Prebiotics stimulate the growth of healthy bacteria such as bifidobacteria and lactobacilli in the gut and increase resistance to invading pathogens. This effect is induced by consuming foods that contain prebiotics. These foods induces metabolic activity, leading to health improvements. Healthy bacteria in the intestine can combat unwanted bacteria, providing a number of health benefits.

Difference Between Prebiotics and Probiotics
Prebiotics are a dietary fiber that trigger the growth of bacteria having favorable effects on the intestinal flora. Probiotics, however, are live micro-organisms contained in the food we eat. They remain intact throughout the digestive process, and deliver healthy bacteria directly to the large intestine. Since probiotics do not stimulate metabolic activity they provide a different set of benefits than prebiotics. Both sets of benefits are valuable for our health wellness, and can act symbiotically to provide numerous health benefits. In fact, the benefits of consuming both prebiotics and probiotics are so strong that products in which both a probiotic and a prebiotic are combined are being developed as functional foods.

Source of Prebiotics
The most common type of prebiotic is from the soluble dietary fiber inulin. Inulin is common in many plants containing fructan. Furthermore, many of these plants are frequently eaten as vegetables - asparagus, garlic, leek, onion, artichoke – and are an excellent source of inulin. However, as the need for functional foods rises, prebiotics are being added to many every day food choices such as cereals, biscuits, breads, table spreads, drinks, and yogurts.

Adding Prebiotics to Every Day Food Choices
If all consumers met their dietary requirements, and ate 5-8 servings of fruits and vegetables per day, then their dietary fiber needs would be met. However, the vast majority of the population do not meet these requirements by consuming fruits and vegetables alone. Functional foods increase consumer choice by adding prebiotics to every day food items. By continuing to eat and drink common foods, but choosing functional alternatives, dietary requirements can be met, without significant changes to food preferences.

To your health~
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #1 by Natural Prebiotic Foods
Posted: December 30, 2008 at 17:44

Prebiotic carbohydrates are found naturally in such fruit and vegetables as bananas, berries, wheat, oatmeal, barley (and other whole grains), flaxseed, tomatoes, Jerusalem artichoke, and chicory, greens (especially dandelion greens but also spinach, collard greens, chard, kale, mustard greens, and others), and legumes (lentils, kidney beans, chickpeas, navy beans, white beans, black beans).

The various oligosaccharides classified as prebiotics and added to processed foods and supplements include Fiber gums, Fructo-oligosaccharides (FOS), Inulins, Isomalto-oligosaccharides, Lactilol, Lactosucrose, Lactulose, Oligofructose, Pyrodextrins, Soy oligosaccharides, Transgalacto-oligosaccharides (TOS), and Xylo-oligosaccharides.

Commercial Uses
The international consumer is well aware of the health benefits of prebiotics, gut integrity, probiotic microflora, and their respective roles in health maintenance. In the Americas, however, the concept of prebiotics is relatively new to the marketplace, with consumers just becoming aware of their importance. Prebiotics are being made available in almost every product imaginable; and, as they become increasingly popular, more and more uses for them are going to be adopted by the commercial industry.

So far, such uses include kefir, yogurt and other dairy drinks, sports products, functional waters, nutrition bars, weight loss products, soymilk, infant foods and formulas, green foods, probiotic supplements, mineral supplements, medical foods, as well as pet foods and animal feeds.

Health Benefits
There is mounting scientific evidence that the symbiotic relationship between prebiotics and probiotics significantly contribute to health. Together, they
-have anticarcinogenic activity,
-have antimicrobial activity,
-may lower triglyceride levels,
-stabilize blood glucose levels,
-boost the immune system,
-help improve mineral absorption and balance,
-rid the gut of harmful microorganisms,
-help prevent constipation and diarrhea.

Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #2 by Nancy R
Posted: October 11, 2009 at 15:06

As usual, you are a wealth of knowledge. I'm always astounded at what you pick up along the way. I have nothing to add (wish I did) but will print this out and keep it handy.

I think we need to get back to cooking from scratch and knowing exactly what we are eating and how its prepared. We so often nullify the nutrient and vitamin benefits by eating over-processed foods and cheap alternatives to natural flavorings.

Have our lives gotten so busy that we can't find the time to "insure" our health by making better food choices? Do we really think we are nourishing our bodies with fast food (fat food)?

Because I cook daily for 8 exotic birds (parrots), I always have fresh fruits and vegetables on hand. The only other alternatives I use are flash frozen. Much too much salt in canned goods.

Even the exercise we do while shopping and preparing fresh foods is a plus. You have to shop more often, for fresh fruits and veggies have a shorter shelf life.

I find it odd that we can find hours to play on a computer, but can't seem to find 30 minutes to cook a healthy meal. I think priorities need to be re-thought. JMHO
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #3 by ladyk
Posted: November 28, 2009 at 18:38

Raising this topic for its value and current questions asked.

Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #4 by Copper_Canyon
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 17:22
Is this an appropriate forum to discuss particular probiotic supplements?
I am having a hard time finding a children's probiotic that guarantees stomach surviveability and delivery of live colony forming strains.
Would any parents care to share what probiotics they are currently using or have used?
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #5 by Mom in Calif
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 17:38
It is hard to tell amidst all the advertising on the boxes and labels.

I think looking for enteric coating will help - that is the type of shell that is designed to carry the contents to the intestines.I also assume that refrigerated probiotics are more viable than the kind that can sit out, although at our house we've gone for the non-refrigerated ones so that it is easier for our son to remember to take them.

To compensate in case the quality is not so good, I am having him take his regimen with kefir, which he has started to like.

From the discussion about prebiotics here, it sounds like a prebiotic would also help ensure that the probiotics are absorbed and used...
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #6 by Copper_Canyon
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 17:58
Mom in Calif,

Unfortunately, I'm limited to probiotic supplements that are either chewable or in powder form, as my 3 year old is unable to swallow pills.

I am giving her a chewable probiotic with prebiotic(FOS), but this particular product does not guarantee stomach viability.

Thanks for your response.
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #7 by ladyk
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 18:04
Copper_Canyon -

Have a look at this link...

Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #8 by Mom in Calif
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 18:09

It sounds like you have made a good choice already! Yogurts and drinks that include 'live cultures' will help, too.

Is your 3-year old okay with dairy products? I have seen soy, goat's milk and even coconut-milk based yogurts and kefirs where we are (So Calif) hopefully you can find them in your area too.
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Reply #9 by Copper_Canyon
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 19:15
Does anyone think there would be a benefit to rotating different probiotic supplements to give a wider variety of strains?
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #10 by ladyk
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 19:22
Copper_Canyon -

Yes I do. Can you refresh my mind as to your particular situation?
We are speaking of a three year old MRSA positive... yes?
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #11 by Copper_Canyon
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 21:07

Yes, I have a 3 year old that has had 4 lesions in roughly the last 18 months. Currently she has been lesion free and antibiotic free for the last 3 months. None of the lesions were ever cultured, each time she was treated with Bactrim and Mupirocin.

I was thinking about buying several different probiotic supplements with different strains and rotating them on a daily basis, what do you think?

BTW, I'm really glad that your still here posting.
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #12 by ladyk
Posted: December 1, 2009 at 22:35
Awww thanks Copper_Canyon...

First of all it is great to see little one is both lesion free, and antibiotic free for past few months! You are doing a great job.

Since we are ultimately seeking ‘system balance’ where one’s body is able to accomplish this according to the body’s preprogrammed biological function of killing off system invaders… (and understanding the need to supplement that which we lack from diet), just be careful not to create a situation where a little one’s system will have to rely on such - for normal balanced function. As child advances in age and is exposed to more and more system invaders she will build immunity/fighter cells with memory imprint of those things which are harmful to her as host.

It is such a difficult under taking to know how far to assist, and when to limit assistance. Let me ask you a question… has little one become asymptomatic since introduction of probiotic?

Yes I do believe rotating probiotic strains would be most beneficial. Being you are Mom dealing with child it will be easy for you to follow results. Should issues arise, fall back to current.

You might also try stimulating metabolic activity via prebiotics.

So glad to know you and little one are doing so much better.


Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #13 by Copper_Canyon
Posted: December 2, 2009 at 16:17

In response to your question, yes. She has been asymptomatic since begining probiotic supplementation, but I also instated and entire regimen at the same time that included: religous handwashing/sanitizer, weekly hibiclens wash, and environmental disinfection. So I am not really sure what is the most effective.

I get what your saying about over-supplementing and allowing the body to naturally boost/build immunity. I think I will continue with a moderate ammount of supplementation and monitor her progress. And thanks for tip on prebiotics, I will also look into this.

Is is okay to talk about specific brands of probiotic? I have read about a japanese brand of probiotic strain that allegedly has antimicrobial activity against MRSA. Does anyone have any feedback on this product?
Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #14 by ladyk
Posted: December 2, 2009 at 17:09
Copper_Canyon -

It's great to know your daughter has benefited from topical and internal regimen collectively. Perfect~

The Product Forum was re-opened some time back at my request due to hard sell sales individuals coming on forum ‘saturating’ it with endless copy and pasted promotions of their commissionable products. Of course this escalated as things go with forums, where at times people just can not conduct themselves with any restraint even in the face of the ill and dying.

So as long as one is not a distributor pushing their products to this pool of ill individuals here - I have no problem with information being put on forum.

Otherwise due to ‘conflict of interest’ the Product Forum is a place sellers can post with limitations.

Remember, research everything... (especially ingredients) as you know just because something is claimed effective on its face, this doesn't always stand true under scrutiny.

Very best to you and yours.

Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #15 by Mom in Calif
Posted: December 2, 2009 at 17:12
I have heard of the product you are talking about, it is hard to find. We are using the same brand probiotic soap and lotion with very good results for our son's acne and general skin health. His skin was reacting to harsh soaps, tea tree oil etc. The lotion contains animal ingredients, if that concerns you.

Since Japan has been extremely hard hit by MRSA, far earlier than most countries, I would tend towards trusting this line of products enough to give it a try. They were number one in the world for infections, with the U.S. coming in second. Not sure about now. Japan's medical system was heavily weighted towards antibiotic overuse due to some kind of doctor incentive, to the point that they were experiencing epidemic-proportion MRSA in hospitals, senior homes and NICUs. Now they are exploring silver nano-technology and all kinds of current ideas.

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Reply #16 by surendra
Posted: June 17, 2010 at 17:31
does goat milk has prebiotic activity
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Reply #17 by ladyk
Posted: June 17, 2010 at 18:41
Surendra -

In answer to your question… yes.

Thank you for the interesting question. Below is some information I found for you concerning goat’s milk.

Goat's milk is believed to be more easily digestible and less allergenic than cow's milk.

Goats are commonly not fed pesticides, herbicides, growth hormones, or antibiotics making goat milk a healthier choice. Unlike cow's milk, goat's milk does not contain agglutinin. As a result, the fat globules in goats milk do not cluster together, making them easier to digest. Like cow's milk, goat's milk is low in essential fatty acids, because goats also have EFA-destroying bacteria in their ruminant stomachs. Yet, goat milk is reported to contain more of the essential fatty acids linoleic and arachnodonic acids, in addition to a higher proportion of short-chain and medium-chain fatty acids. These are easier for intestinal enzymes to digest.

Goats milk may also have advantages when it comes to allergies. Goat's milk contains only trace amounts of an allergenic casein protein, alpha-S1, found in cow's milk. Goats milk casein is more similar to human milk, yet cow's milk and goat's milk contain similar levels of the other allergenic protein, beta lactoglobulin. Scientific studies have not found a decreased incidence of allergy with goats milk, but here is another situation where mothers' observations and scientific studies are at odds with one another. Some mothers are certain that their child tolerates goat's milk better than cow's milk, and mothers are more sensitive to children's reactions than scientific studies.

Although the mineral content of goat's milk and cow's milk is generally similar, goat's milk contains 13 percent more calcium, 25 percent more vitamin B-6, 47 percent more vitamin A, 134 percent more potassium, and three times more niacin. It is also four times higher in copper. Goat's milk also contains 27 percent more of the antioxidant selenium than cow's milk. Cow's milk contains five times as much vitamin B-12 as goat's milk and ten times as much folic acid (12 mcg. in cow's milk versus 1 mcg. for goat's milk per eight ounces with an RDA of 75-100 mcg. for children). The fact that goat's milk contains less than ten percent of the amount of folic acid contained in cow's milk means that it must be fortified with folic acid in order to be adequate as a formula or milk substitute for infants and toddlers, and popular brands of goat's milk may advertise "fortified with folic acid" on the carton.

*Goat's milk contains a higher content of medium chain fatty acids (ie. capric and caprylic acids) which are used to inhibit Candida infections. These medium chain fatty acids are immune and energy enhancing.

*Goat's milk does not stimulate an immune response as cow's milk does, so there is no mucous formed.

Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #18 by ladyk
Posted: June 17, 2010 at 18:42
*The trace mineral selenium, which is often deficient in the human body, is necessary for its immune modulation and antioxidant properties. It helps control the human immune system and works directly on viruses by preventing reproduction.

*Goat's milk contains the highest source of selenium of any milk (2.5 time more than powdered infant formulas, 35% more than pasteurized cow milk, and more than human breast milk).

Goat’s Milk:
B Lymphocytes - Produce antibodies, which target harmful microbes

Macrophages - Immune cells, which kill microbes in baby's gut; produce lysosome, an enzyme, which digests the cell walls of harmful bacteria, and activate other components of the immune system

Neutrophils - White blood cells, which ingest bacteria in baby's digestive system

T Lymphocytes - Kill infected cells directly or send out "alarms", which stimulate other parts of the immune system

IgA/IgG Secretory Antibodies - Prevent microbes in the intestine from invading other tissues

Bifidus factor - Promotes growth of Lactobacillus bifidus>, a helpful bacterium in baby's gut, which helps crowd out dangerous germs

Fatty Acids - Disrupt membranes of viruses and destroy them

Fibronectin - Increases antimicrobial activity of macrophages and helps to repair damaged tissues

Gamma-Interferon - Enhances antimicrobial activity of macrophages and helps to repair damaged tissues

Lactoferrin - Binds to iron, making it unavailable for germs

Lysozyme - Kills germs by disrupting their cell walls

Mucins & Oligosaccharides - Bind to bacteria and viruses, preventing them from attaching to baby's gut; encourage growth of friendly bacteria.

In my opinion… goat’s milk does a body good~ and is superior to cow’s milk.

Best wishes,

Re: Prebiotics - Probiotics
Reply #19 by ladyk
Posted: August 23, 2012 at 19:42

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